For most aluminum fins and tubes, the figures are 0.005 inches and 0.016 inches, respectively. The thermal conductivity or heat transfer rate of copper is 92% versus aluminum which is approximately 49%. My stock one is brass/copper and 1-row (I know right), the aluminum/plastic is 2-row and $180, or I can get a brass/copper 3-row Proliance Ready Rad radiator from Summit for $160 and some change. Condition: New. I've had two first gen's. The first 1969 Camaro had a BBC and a 4 row/4core copper & brass radiator. Radiator, Performance Fit, 4-Row, Aluminum, Polished, Buick, Cadillac, Chevy, GMC, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Each. CSF's 5 th Gen Toyota 4Runner all-aluminum 42mm 2 row high-performance radiator core vs. the OEM 1 row 22mm core Maximum Durability. More Details. This radiator features factory type press formed end tanks, 20.5" dual row core, and serpentine fins. Like all of our aluminum radiators, the Ford Mustang radiators are manufactured at an ISO Certified . Go. A 2 row aluminum radiator with a 2" 2 row core will cool better than a copper/brass radiator of 2.5" with 4 rows. AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/03/2007 Location: Western Il Status: Offline Points: 4769 Post Options. WARNING: Cancer and Reproductive Harm - www.P65Warnings.ca.gov. Dec 21, 2015. (Stock Radiators) Generally 2 rows will measure 1-1/2 to 2 inches thick. Price Range: $ 574.88 - $ 971.25 View Details. Both cores use similar size serpentine fins giving you similar amounts of heat transfer points. 4 is usually considered about the most you can do with copper brass and 3-4 is more . American Motors American, 1964-65 L6 196/232 Radiator Price Range: $ 528.89 - $ 893.55 View Details. View Product Details. The brass/copper rads are superior to aluminum rads but they are much heavier and more expensive to manufacture than aluminum. Create New Topic. For example, an aluminum radiator with 2 rows of 1" tubes is equivalent to a copper brass radiator with 5 rows of 1/2" tubes. The down side is the cost. Our performance radiators are constructed of high-quality aluminum and designed with either 2-row cores for performance or 3-row cores for optimal drops on engine temperature. 3 Row - a thicker version of the radiator with thicker side or top and bottom tanks providing up to 100% additional capacity. Copper is an efficient heat conductor, but the tube wall must be thin to achieve ideal heat dissipation. Cold-Case Radiators. When aluminum radiators came around the rules changed. Slightly lighter for a given size 3. No thanks. Item built with 2 rows of wide tubing and comes in 1 3/4 thick = 3 row copper thi. Core Type: 2-Row. Part #: 000131-289-1. 2 in. We recommend these similar substitute parts: Summit Racing Plastic/Aluminum . Dec 27, 2010. Flex-A-Lite 28 x 20 universal performance aluminum radiator for LS engine swaps featuring Extruded Core Technology with fully-shrouded Black Magic Xtreme S-Blade electric fan. High-quality Be Cool radiators are 100% . Value for money: . Tube Size The tube size listed is the width of the tube. The wider big block version (24") will give more cooling than a small-block version that's thicker. I also have a low profile 16" electric fan mounted to the engine side of the radiator inside the . Cooling engineers concluded that by lowering the fin height you could stack more layers of tubes. In past Novas, I would drop in a three row copper/brass rad and my cooling issues would be over. Copper-brass radiators came standard on older vehicles and were found on some vehicles all the way into the 1980s. The 100% brazed aluminum core of a Mishimoto radiator means you will have minimal distortion, low stress, and clean joints. The thermal conductivity of Al is over twice that of Brass. Stock radiators aren't designed to handle the increased cooling needs of high performance engines. Wide 2-rows will have more fin area and fin-tube contact than 4 tiny rows will. I have a 4 row, with a full shroud, mechanical 7 blade fan with heavy duty clutch. Estimated Ship Date: Jan 23, 2023 if ordered today. Notes: 2 Row Max Suggested, Brackets To Engine Side. Check the thickness of those cores - the aluminum one is probable thinner cores, so you can fit more of them in there. rad. The Rad experts will tell you that more rows doesn't mean better heat transfer. Increased cooling efficiency without modifications to car. Our big 2 row core design with 1.25" tubes is the industry's best. Krazy Comet Tom. Cold Case high-quality replacement radiators for GM vehicles are engineered with two oversized rows that perform as well as traditional 3- or 4-row radiators. 3 core copper/brass 3. tie between single core aluminum and 4 core copper/brass. Feb 7, 2010. American Motors American, 1966-69 L6 199/232 Radiator Price . Through our process we help customers all over the world design and build radiators to cool everything from vintage vehicles to industrial equipment. For the most part, more cores are better. Years: 1964-1965. S. Griffin is a true manufacturer. This means they can dissipate more heat. Add to Compare. Part Number: SUM-384001. Jun 19, 2004 #1 . A 4-Row Radiator has 4 rows of tubes. View Details. 1826 3Row Radiator+Shroud+Fan For 1986-2005 2000 Chevy S10 LS Swap 26.3" W Core. Years: 1964-1965. Do I go for yet another used OEM radiator, a re-manufactured standard one, or something like this (3 Row Aluminium Radiator For 1979 1980 Triumph Spitfire 1.5L Manual | eBay which hopefully is a library pic as the connections are all wrong) or something like this (Upgraded 2 Row Core Racing Radiator For Triumph Spitfire MK3 MK4 1500 1964-1980 9140992388722 | eBay - which at least looks like it . A two row aluminum radiator (with larger 1" or better yet 1.25" tubes and more cooling fins) will cool more efficiently than a 3 or 4 row copper/brass radiator. However, the copper fin bonded to the tubes, or water passages, using lead solder is very inefficient and slows the heat transfer rate to just slightly better than that of aluminum. FALSE! or so) to . Radiator: Aluminum vs Copper/Brass: Post Reply : Page 1 2 > Author: Message Topic Search Topic Options. Ditto. Aluminum does NOT cool better than copper/brass. 4 row copper brass 3/8 inch tubes =1.5 inch fin to tube contact 2 row Aluminum 2 rows 1 inch tubes= 2.0 inch of fin to tube contact a full 1/2 inch more of tube to fin contact . Aluminum cools better and is lighter. Cheaper than an equivalent copper unit (usually) Advantages of copper/brass radiators 1. Mar 5, 2022 #22 kenny77 Veteran Member Lifetime Gold Member Jul 31, 2001 3,314 Add to Compare . Traditional copper radiators usually use " tubes so a 4 row copper radiator has slightly less fin contact area than a 2 row aluminum core with 1" tubes when you take into account the loss of contact area at the curved ends of the tubes. Be Cool's cooling technology produces radiators that are 40% lighter than conventional O.E.M. That's why we offer a big lineup of radiators from the best in the cooling business: Be Cool, Griffin, Fluidyne, Vista-Pro Ready Rad, and more! thing is the Champion is about 1.5x the stock 1-row radiator, since it uses 3/4" tubes. It is also easier to repair as it can be disassembled. I went from 4row brass to a 2-row aluminum and lost more than 30-degrees with that single swap. Often field repairable with soft solder 3. less likely to have stress fractures 4. Rebel Machine . Estimated Ship Date: Jan 23, 2023 if ordered today. Almost anyone can buy components and . American Motors American, 1966-69 L6 199/ . Years: 1958-1963. It's the perfect answer to upgrading and safe-guarding against the weak OEM radiator with plastic end tanks. Each Cold Case direct-fit aluminum radiator is. Traditional copper radiators usually use " tubes so a 4 row copper radiator has slightly less fin contact area than a 2 row aluminum core with 1" tubes when you take into account the loss of contact area at the curved ends of the tubes. Most of the older design copper/brass radiators have smaller diameter (3/8-1/2") cooling tubes and less fins, with the fins running parallel to one another. Crazy Larry and Krazy Comet like this. The "cores" also referred to as "rows" are an indication of how thick a radiator is. Newer vehicles with copper core and plastic tank radiators may not significantly differ in weight. Translate Topic. Jeep converted from the original TJ's 2-row like my '97 came with to a 1-row around 2000 or 2001 to help with cooling. If you need a custom radiator we're here to help. 1 of 2 Go to page. The radiators will be about the same thickness. The one that I have in there now is an old stock radiator, and has never had any trouble shedding heat. Learn More Find an Online Retailer Flex-A-Lite Extruded Core Universal Radiator 34 x 20. American Motors American, 1964-65 L6 196/232 Radiator. Yes I know that seems counter intuitive but. Quote Rebel Machine . Post Reply. Material: Copper/Brass. Hence why all OEM rads are aluminum these days. Aluminum tubes are thinner than copper tubes and weigh less than a copper radiator rthomas771, Aug 22, 2015 #8. Copper Brass Radiators are in high demand for Jeep applications. 1967-69 Camaro Sb/BB V8 - Aluminum Radiator - With Satin Finish And Transmission Cooler. Custom Radiators. Radiator issues/concernscopper/brass vs. aluminum Normally Aspirated Powertrain. Our Price: $0.00. Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club: Saturday August 6, 2022 : Home: Forums: Images: WikiNASIOC: Products . A mirror-polished finish is an option on all Be Cool radiators. Aluminum is at 250 K while Brass is only 109. The rows/cores are much bigger . Their epoxy-free construction provides better heat dissipation, too, while allowing complete repairability. Generally a 1 row radiator will measure 1 inch to 1-1/4 thick. You have to take the core thickness into account. View Details. Brazed copper-brass radiators also use thinner fin and tube material. Both will work, especially if your car is stock. Our extensive research and development team . Core design is the key when it comes to performance cooling. Radiator Materials. Years: 1958-1963. A 2-Row Radiator has 2 rows of tubes. Classic ea. 4 row High Efficiency offers more cooling efficiency than aluminum cores due to tubes on 3/8" centers. MSRP $926.99 ea. Polished filler neck. Wider tubes have more surface area. ALL ALUMINUM 2 ROW, 12 INCH COOLER WITH HRL. Fitment: 1989-2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ. SKU: 224702. View Details . It's also hard to beat copper-brass for heat . If someone tells you that a 2-row aluminum radiator will out perform a 4-row copper/brass radiator you are only hearing part of the story. Two one inch rows is equal to four half inch rows in a copper & brass. Retail Price: $429.00. it seems to cool as well as the copper/brass 4 row.JMO 71gold, Aug 21, 2015 #3. fastback86 . original Harrison rad .. 1/2 inch spaceing between tubes = x tubes for the length of the header .. low fin count 10 to 12 fin per inch Aluminum provides high efficiency, is lightweight, and has a longer life compared to copper brass. That means whatever your future plans, you can keep that radiator - paint it to look stock. Add to Compare. Aluminum transfers heat better than copper/brass. We have 3 row radiators to fit 1967 to 2004 Mustangs to provide your car with greater cooling capacity than from 2 row radiators. The 2 row aluminum core is constructed with 1 tubes, again giving you a 2 inch think core. Modern radiators are made of aluminum and plastic which are more resistant to corrosion, while old vehicles use copper and brass. Probabaly the best thing would be to take it to a radiator repair shop (there's still a few around) and have them pressure test it. Next Last. Members Profile. All Metal Copper Brass Radiators are designed to provide additional cooling, rugged durability & reparability. (Tow Package Upgrades) When comparing listings from our website, be sure to click the MORE INFO link or product info link on. vs. 1 7/8 in. Material: All Aluminum. Aluminum radiators are either single or two row unlike brass radiators that need to be 3 or 4 row to cool good. Copper is even higher than Aluminum however at 400+. Mishimoto Performance Aluminum Radiator MMRAD-XJ-89 For Jeep Grand Cherokee XJ 1989-2001. Free Shipping; $371.99. If the tubing wall is thin, tube diameter needs to be kept rather small (.500 in. We aren't the only company that offers a Mustang aluminum radiator but we do provide you with a better value. Find Members Posts. All of our racing radiators are TIG-welded to . Aluminum vs. Copper / Brassarticle by U S Radiator. Post Reply. Before aluminum radiators were around, the only upgrade from a factory 3-row radiator was either a 3-row high efficiency model or a 4-row. Notes: Brackets To Grill Side. The other alternative would be an all-aluminum 3-row but I'm not spending $300+ on this thing. Modern radiators have wider tubes and are thinner enabling better airflow and heat transfer. Step 1: Engine and Transmission Mounts. units, yet have greater cooling power.